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    Sean FargoPublished February 6, 2026 · Updated October 26, 2026 · 6 min read

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    Creativity is often framed as something you either have or don’t. Mindfulness, on the other hand, is frequently associated with quiet stillness, restraint, and discipline. At first glance, these two worlds can seem at odds: one wild and expressive, the other calm and contained.

    In this conversation on Integrating Mindfulness and Wild Creativity for a Braver Artistic Life, two hosts draw on the work of Anne Cushman, a teacher, writer, and mentor known for weaving together Buddhism and yoga and for teaching at Spirit Rock and Kripalu. They follow her roller-skating dream, the retreats at Spirit Rock that mix silent sitting with painting, writing, and movement, and six principles that contemplative practice and creative practice share.

    This episode is for anyone who has felt blocked, intimidated by creativity, or unsure how mindfulness fits into an expressive life. You don’t need to identify as an artist. You only need curiosity.

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    Episode Overview:

    Key Topics Covered:

    • The roller skating dream as a symbol of inner conflict between sage and trickster
    • How Spirit Rock integrated silence with painting, writing, and movement
    • Creativity as reclamation rather than talent
    • Process-focused training over outcome-based art
    • Mindfulness and focus, resilience, and divergent thinking, as the hosts describe them
    • Six shared principles: space, body, emotions, sacred time, golden thread, letting go
    • Simple practices for tiny sacred windows and playful creativity
    • Approaching difficult material with protection and gentle bravery
    • Presence as the common ground between art and awakening

    Show Notes:

    From Silence to Color: A Story of Integration

    The hosts describe a tension in Anne Cushman’s life between her contemplative practice and a playful, artistic side that wanted color, words, and movement. They say that to move forward she had to stop trying to pick one and integrate them.

    A recurring roller-skating dream became an image of this tension. In the dream she glides around an ice rink in a black velvet bikini and white fur-trimmed rollerblades, until she imagines running into Jack Kornfield One side is the sage, the serious meditation teacher. The other is the trickster, the playful, irreverent artist.

    At Spirit Rock Meditation Center, the hosts say, the integration took shape in the Spirit of Creativity retreat, held within the structure of a silent meditation retreat with a schedule adjusted for painting, writing, and improvisational movement workshops. Upstairs rooms were for seated meditation, and the downstairs painting studio filled with color.

    Creativity Is Reclamation, Not Talent

    One reframe offered in this conversation is that creativity is a practice of reclamation, not a display of natural talent.

    The hosts say Cushman was told bluntly early on that she had no talent and couldn’t sing, and that those words knocked the voice out of her. To reclaim it, she sought out classes that focused on the process rather than the result: painting with Michele Cassou, drumming, Five Rhythms dance, and writing workshops with Natalie Goldberg. The goal, they say, was always liberating something inside, not performance or publication.

    How Mindfulness Supports Creative Flow

    The hosts say research backs up the connection. In their account, practicing presence without judging yourself calms the prefrontal cortex, which they call the inner critic, and helps switch on divergent thinking, the ability to generate many different ideas. They add that mindfulness improves focus and builds resilience for the setbacks, rejection, and failed drafts of a creative life.

    According to the hosts, mindfulness practice supports:

    • Divergent thinking (the ability to generate multiple ideas)
    • Focus and sustained attention
    • Resilience when meeting setbacks and self-doubt

    Presence, they conclude, is the common thread that unites art and awakening.

    The Six Principles of Mindful Creativity

    The hosts walk through six principles from Anne Cushman’s work that contemplative practice and creative practice share.

    1. Space

    Creativity needs room to breathe, and a packed schedule tends to suffocate it. The hosts mention a self-guided phrase to counter time anxiety, “there’s plenty of time, there’s plenty of space,” and practical steps such as leaving 15 minutes unscheduled after lunch or deciding not to fill every gap.

    2. The Body

    Creativity is built from sensation: what we hear, taste, see, smell, and feel are the raw materials of art. The hosts suggest quickly jotting down sense data, such as one thing you see, one thing you smell, and one thing you hear, as a doorway into deeper observation.

    3. Emotions

    Rather than obstacles, the hosts describe emotions as fuel, “compost” for awakening and creativity. They cite writer Joyce Carol Oates’s advice to students who complained about drama in their personal lives: put it in your writing. Art, they say, gives that energy a container.

    4. Sacred Time

    The hosts borrow two yoga concepts: abhyasa, the effort of showing up consistently, and vairagya, non-attachment, or letting go of the outcome once you are there. They suggest calling the time “playtime” instead of practice or work to take off some pressure, and they point to Anne Lamott’s advice to send one email a day to a friend about what you want to write.

    5. The Golden Thread

    The poet William Stafford, the hosts say, described every fleeting thought or image as the end of a golden thread. The job of the writer, or any creator, is to follow it humbly rather than force a plan onto the work, which takes deep listening.

    6. Letting Go

    The hosts call this the toughest principle for people raised on performance and grades. The inner military commander who demands perfection has to be kindly asked to step aside. They cite William Stafford’s advice for writer’s block, “I lower my standards,” and Anne Lamott’s idea of imperfect first drafts as the compost for later versions.

    Tiny Sacred Windows and Playful Practice

    One of the most practical takeaways from this conversation is the idea of tiny sacred windows.

    You don’t need hours of uninterrupted time or a perfectly curated studio. The hosts give three examples: 15 minutes left unscheduled after lunch, one email a day to a friend about what you want to write, and the short poems the busy doctor William Carlos Williams wrote on a prescription pad between patients.

    Playfulness is part of it too, which is why the hosts suggest the “playtime” framing above.

    Approaching Scary Material with Gentle Bravery

    Creative work often leads us toward material we would rather avoid. The hosts use a poem called “Fearing Paris”: if you are afraid of Paris, you might avoid all of France, and miss the richness the place holds.

    They call Cushman’s approach gentle bravery, and give two examples of it:

    • Journaling privately on an airplane, using a white-on-white screen setting so nobody can peek
    • Putting sticky notes on pages of her novel, before giving it to her parents, that said, “Parents, skip this part”

    It is about giving yourself permission, and also protection when you need it.

    Presence: The Bridge Between Art and Awakening

    Whether we are meditating or making art, the invitation is the same: to be here.

    The hosts close with a line from the poet Jane Hirshfield, that Zen and poetry are tools for discovering what can be known when the world is looked at with open eyes. Mindfulness, they say, is the intentional practice of opening your eyes, and that feeds the creative process.

    Next Steps: Practicing with Guidance

    If this conversation has sparked something in you, Anne Cushman teaches online. She offers half-day and day-long events that combine meditation, writing, and movement. The hosts also encourage seeking out teachers and workshops that emphasize process over product.

    You don’t need to become an artist to benefit. You only need a willingness to show up and explore.

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    Transcript

    Show transcript· 15 min read

    <a class="no-underline" href="#where-spirituality-meets-creativity">Where Spirituality Meets Creativity</a>

    Speaker 1 · 0:00Okay, welcome to the deep dive. So today we're going to get into something that maybe feels a bit contradictory at first glance. This really powerful, sometimes surprising connection between deep spiritual practice and, well, wild creative expression.

    Speaker 2 · 0:16Aaron Powell Yeah, it's kind of like where the monastery meets the mosh pit, right?

    Speaker 1 · 0:20Yeah.

    Speaker 2 · 0:20And our main source today, well, it really dives into this through Anne Cushman's work. I mean, she's a really foundational figure in Western spiritual teaching, known for weaving together Buddhism and yoga, teaching at big centers like Spirit Rock, Krapalu, and she wrote books like The Mama Sutra.

    Speaker 1 · 0:36Aaron Powell Right. And what's so interesting, I think, is that she really embodies how these two worlds don't just, you know, sit side by side. They actually feed each other. But it wasn't exactly a smooth ride for

    <a class="no-underline" href="#the-roller-skating-dream-conflict">The Roller Skating Dream Conflict</a>

    Speaker 1 · 0:46her. The sources talk about this great image of this central conflict she felt, this identity crisis, just as she was launching a big teaching program in her first novel.

    Speaker 2 · 0:54Aaron Powell Oh, yeah, the famous roller skating dream. It's brilliant. She dreamt she was just gliding around this ice rink having an amazing time, but she's wearing this completely playful and irreverent outfit.

    Speaker 1 · 1:05Okay, like what?

    Speaker 2 · 1:06Like a black velvet bikini and white fur-trimmed rollerblades.

    Speaker 1 · 1:09Wow. Okay. That's quite the image.

    Speaker 2 · 1:11Exactly. But then the fun kind of grinds to a halt because this thought flashes through her mind. Oh no, what if I run into Jack Cornfield?

    Speaker 1 · 1:19Ah. And for anyone who doesn't know, Jack Cornfield is, well, a giant in meditation, one of the key teachers who brought Vipassana to the West. He represents that really serious, disciplined side of spiritual life.

    Speaker 2 · 1:32Aaron Powell Precisely. So in the dream, she feels totally exposed. Like she's caught between these two archetypes. On one hand, the solemn, serious spiritual sage, the meditation teacher. And on the other, this wild, playful, irreverent trickster or artist, you know, the one in the fur trimmed rollerblades.

    Speaker 1 · 1:49Yeah, that makes sense. Aaron Powell Why do you think that fear of being caught is so common for people trying to balance creativity in a spiritual path?

    Speaker 2 · 1:55Aaron Powell Well, I think we build up these really rigid ideas about what holiness or seriousness is supposed to look like. We get this idea that if we're truly serious about awakening, we have to somehow leave behind the messy parts, the playful parts, the vulnerability that art often requires. The fear is basically that the artist isn't welcome in the meditation hall. And the sources really show that for her to move forward, she had to stop trying to pick one. She had to integrate them.

    Speaker 1 · 2:22Okay, so let's unpack how she actually did that. How do you merge something that often requires deep silence with something that, you know, often demands loud, messy expression?

    <a class="no-underline" href="#integrating-practice-at-spirit-rock">Integrating Practice At Spirit Rock</a>

    Speaker 2 · 2:33Well, she first made the merger visible in her work, her novel Enlightenment for Idiots, which is this funny story about a wannabe yoga teacher messing up in India. That was kind of the first proof. It showed that, yeah, irreverent, playful art could coexist with a dedicated spiritual practice. But then institutionally, the integration happened in places like Spirit Rock.

    Speaker 1 · 2:51Aaron Powell That sounds like a fascinating setup. Spirit Rock, as you said, it's known for these deep, often silent retreats. So how do you bring creativity into that kind of structure without, I don't know, breaking the silence?

    Speaker 2 · 3:05Aaron Powell They came up with something called the spirit of creativity retreat. It was actually held within the structure of a silent meditation retreat, but they adjusted the schedule. So there were dedicated workshops for things like painting, writing, and even improvisational movement mixed in with the sitting.

    Speaker 1 · 3:20Wow. That is powerful. I love the description in the sources of the actual space there, how the upstairs rooms were for the quiet, seated meditation focused inward. But then the downstairs painting studio became this literal

    <a class="no-underline" href="#reclaiming-a-silenced-creative-voice">Reclaiming A Silenced Creative Voice</a>

    Speaker 1 · 3:33visible expression of what was happening internally.

    Speaker 2 · 3:36Oh, it was apparently quite a sight. The walls would just get covered in this explosion of color, you know, demons, snakes, flowers, abstract stuff, babies, basically everything bubbling up in the quiet mind when you stop pushing it down. It looked, as she put it, like the meditating minds from upstairs had just exploded all over the walls downstairs. So the structure itself gave the inner child, the trickster, full permission to join the sage.

    Speaker 1 · 4:01What's really encouraging about this part of her story is that it wasn't just about, you know, having some innate talent. She really had to actively reclaim her creative voice. She talks about being told pretty bluntly early on that she did not have any talent and couldn't sing, and how those words just knock the voice out of her. That resonates, I think, with so many people.

    Speaker 2 · 4:20Absolutely. It points to a really fundamental idea here. Creativity is often a practice of reclamation, not just displaying some natural gift. And the way she did it was by seeking out classes that focused entirely on the process, not the end result. Things like the painting experience with Michelle Cassous, which is all about the act of painting itself, or drumming, five rhythms dance, writing workshops with people like Natalie Goldberg. The goal was always about liberating something inside, not about performance or publication.

    Speaker 1 · 4:50So it sounds like the real key is shifting your whole relationship with the activity itself.

    Speaker 2 · 4:55Totally. And this is where the research kind of backs up this integration. Mindfulness practice itself is like the engine here. When you practice being present without judging yourself, you're actually calming down the prefrontal cortex that's your inner critic. And doing that directly helps switch on divergent thinking.

    <a class="no-underline" href="#mindfulness-and-divergent-thinking">Mindfulness And Divergent Thinking</a>

    Speaker 2 · 5:12Which is what exactly Divergent thinking is basically the ability to generate lots of different unusual ideas or solutions for a problem. It's the brainstorming part of the brain. So by calming the judge, you let the idea factory run more freely.

    Speaker 1 · 5:26Okay, got it.

    Speaker 2 · 5:27And beyond that, mindfulness obviously improves focus, which you definitely need for the long haul of complex creative work. And maybe most importantly, it builds resilience. I mean, the creative path is full of setbacks, rejection, drafts that don't work. Mindfulness gives you the tools to meet that stuff without just giving up entirely.

    Speaker 1 · 5:47Right. Okay, this brings us to something really practical for you, the listener. The sources boil all this down into six core principles that are common to both mindfulness practice and creative practice. Let's maybe dive into these. The focus shifts here, doesn't it? Away from

    <a class="no-underline" href="#principle-1-make-space">Principle 1: Make Space</a>

    Speaker 1 · 6:03the output, the finished product, and more towards the qualities of being that allow creativity to happen.

    Speaker 2 · 6:08Exactly. And the very first principle is maybe the most fundamental. Open up space. Creativity just needs air. Our modern lives, they're so packed, they tend to suffocate it. You can't really force flow into a schedule that's jam solid.

    Speaker 1 · 6:20So if creativity needs space, how do we actually make room for it without, you know, quitting our jobs and heading for the hills?

    Speaker 2 · 6:26Well, it often starts with just an internal shift. The source mentions this self-guided practice, almost like a mantra, to counter that time anxiety we all feel. There's plenty of time, there's plenty of space. You're reminding yourself that the feeling of scarcity is often just a perception. And practically, making space can be as simple as leaving 15 minutes totally unscheduled after lunch, or just deciding not to fill every single gap.

    Speaker 1 · 6:51That feels manageable. And it leads nicely into principle two, which is about shifting into the body, be present in your body. We often think creativity is all in the head, but the sources

    <a class="no-underline" href="#principle-2-sense-the-body">Principle 2: Sense The Body</a>

    Speaker 1 · 7:01really emphasize it's a deeply sensory thing.

    Speaker 2 · 7:03Oh, absolutely. Creativity is built from the ground up, and the ground is pure sensation. What we hear, what we taste, see, smell, feel, those are the raw materials. They're the specific concrete building blocks for any art that really connects. If your senses are kind of dulled or numbed out, your art is likely to feel abstract, maybe a bit vague.

    Speaker 1 · 7:22I love that example from the source about seeing something totally ordinary, made extraordinary, just through intense perception, like going to a museum and seeing a sculpture that's just a massive apple core, like six feet tall. And suddenly this mundane thing, a half-eaten piece of fruit, becomes monumental, meaningful, just because an artist really saw it, really perceived it.

    Speaker 2 · 7:41Yes. And the practical tool she suggests for tuning your senses is super simple. Just quickly jot down sense data. Like right now, you could pause and just note down one thing you see, one thing you smell, one thing you hear. Doing that regularly forces you to actually be in the moment, inhabiting your senses. It creates a doorway into deeper observation, which fuels richer art.

    Speaker 1 · 8:03Okay, that flows really well into principle three, which deals with what happens when you are present and sensitive. Be present to your emotions.

    <a class="no-underline" href="#principle-3-feel-your-emotions">Principle 3: Feel Your Emotions</a>

    Speaker 2 · 8:11Right. Because once you're paying attention, feelings come up. And the key here is that emotions, even the difficult ones, the painful ones, they aren't obstacles you need to get rid of. They're actually fuel. They're like compost for both awakening and creativity. Creative expression is one of the best ways we have to kind of dislodge intense emotions, to give them somewhere physical to go, whether that's into a song, a poem, a painting, whatever.

    Speaker 1 · 8:35It makes me think of that idea. I think it's Annie Dillard or maybe Annie Prulix about working along the nerve of one's most intimate sensitivity. You have to be willing to feel the stuff that's uncomfortable.

    Speaker 2 · 8:47Precisely. There's that famous story about Joyce Carroll Oates. When her students would complain about all the drama or struggle in their personal lives, her advice was incredibly direct. Put it in your writing. Emotions are just raw energy. Art gives that energy a container, a place where it can transform into something else.

    Speaker 1 · 9:03Okay. So we've got space, body, emotions, but this all sounds very fluid, maybe spontaneous. Is there also a need for structure, for discipline?

    <a class="no-underline" href="#principle-4-sacred-time-and-discipline">Principle 4: Sacred Time And Discipline</a>

    Speaker 1 · 9:12That seems to be principle four. Carve out sacred time.

    Speaker 2 · 9:16Yes, absolutely. This is where the discipline you build in mindfulness practice really pays off for your art. In yoga, there are these two key concepts, apyasa and viragya.

    Speaker 1 · 9:26Can you break those down quickly? They get thrown around a lot.

    Speaker 2 · 9:29Sure. Apasa is basically the effort, the consistent practice, the discipline of just showing up. Showing up to the cushion, the mat, the journal, the studio, even, and especially when you don't feel inspired, it's the doing it. Viraga is the other side of the coin. It's non-attachment, surrender. It's letting go of the outcome once you're there. Surrendering to whatever happens in that moment of practice. But the key is you really need the commitment of a piazza first, the showing up before the virage, the letting go and the flow can really happen.

    Speaker 1 · 9:59But the sources also acknowledge look, most people listening probably don't have three hours blocked out every day for a piazza.

    Speaker 2 · 10:05And that's crucial. The advice is to reframe it. Call that time playtime instead of practice or work. That can take some of the pressure off. And think small. And Lamotte's advice was beautifully tiny. Just commit to sending one email a day to a friend about what you want to write.

    Speaker 1 · 10:21Or that amazing example of William Carlos Williams, a busy doctor, writing these incredible short poems, like between walls, literally on a prescription pad between seeing patients. It shows that even a few minutes of truly sacred intentional time can be way more powerful than waiting for some perfect eight-hour block that just never shows up.

    Speaker 2 · 10:41So true. Okay, moving to principle five. Listen to the inner impulse. So you've made the space, you've carved out the time. Now what? You have to learn to trust what actually wants to emerge in that space.

    Speaker 1 · 10:53How do you know though? How do you tell the difference between a genuine creative impulse and just, you know, a random thought or getting distracted?

    Speaker 2 · 10:59Well, the poet William Stafford had this beautiful

    <a class="no-underline" href="#principle-5-follow-the-golden-thread">Principle 5: Follow The Golden Thread</a>

    Speaker 2 · 11:02way of describing it. He called it the golden thread. He felt like every little detail, every fleeting thought or image is like the end of a golden thread. And the job of the writer, or any creator really, isn't to force some grand plan onto the work. It's more about humbly following that thread, trusting the aliveness, the energy of that spontaneous impulse. It requires really deep listening, paying close attention.

    Speaker 1 · 11:26Which leads perfectly into what feels like the most liberating principle, number six, let go of doing it right.

    Speaker 2 · 11:32Yes. This is maybe the toughest one, especially for people who come from backgrounds where performance or grades were everything. That internal military commander, the one demanding perfection, it has to be kindly asked to step aside if the goal is genuine expression and liberation.

    Speaker 1 · 11:49Yeah, it's that pressure that just freezes so many of us before we even start.

    Speaker 2 · 11:52Exactly. And William Stafford, again, his famous advice for writer's block, just nails this attitude of surrender. I lower my standards. You set the bar so low that

    <a class="no-underline" href="#principle-6-let-go-of-perfection">Principle 6: Let Go Of Perfection</a>

    Speaker 2 · 12:03success is basically guaranteed just by showing up and putting something down, anything at all.

    Speaker 1 · 12:07That's the genius of Anne Lamot's shitty first drafts idea, too, right? Just embrace the mess. That first messy, imperfect attempt isn't failure. It's the fertilizer. It's the compost that allows the next, maybe better version to actually grow. If you try to write the perfect final draft right out of the gate, you'll likely never even begin.

    Speaker 2 · 12:25So the act of creating becomes less about performance for someone else and much more a practice of non-attachment. It's an exploration, a movement, not an exam.

    Speaker 1 · 12:36Okay, so bringing it towards a close, there's one final idea the sources really stressed, which is about the courage to explore the stuff that makes us nervous, the material that feels vulnerable, maybe even a bit taboo.

    Speaker 2 · 12:48We tend to shy away from our scariest material, right? Because we're afraid of being judged or maybe exposing too much. The analogy you use comes from a poem called Fearing Paris. The idea is if you're really afraid of Paris, you might end up avoiding all of France just to be safe. But in doing that, you miss

    <a class="no-underline" href="#brave-work-with-scary-material">Brave Work With Scary Material</a>

    Speaker 2 · 13:06out on all the energy, all the richness that place holds for you. Often the story or the feeling you think you shouldn't touch. That's where tremendous creative power lies.

    Speaker 1 · 13:14Aaron Powell So if that fear is kind of part of the deal, how did Anne Chrisman practically navigate telling stories that felt maybe too personal or too wild or just embarrassing?

    Speaker 2 · 13:23Well, she used what you could call gentle bravery. She found these really practical ways to let the impulse come through while still managing her own comfort. Like she'd journal super privately on an airplane, using a white-on-white screen setting so nobody could possibly peek. Or when she gave her novel to her parents, she literally put little sticky notes on certain pages saying, Parents, skip this part. It's about giving yourself permission, but also giving yourself protection when you need it.

    Speaker 1 · 13:52Okay, so when we weave all these practices and principles together, the space, the body, the emotions, the time, the impulse, letting go, the courage, what's the common thread? It seems to keep coming back to just paying attention.

    Speaker 2 · 14:04Exactly. That's the heart of it.

    <a class="no-underline" href="#the-common-thread-deep-presence">The Common Thread: Deep Presence</a>

    Speaker 2 · 14:06The core purpose, really, of both mindfulness and creativity is deep presence. There's a great line from the poet Jane Hirschfield talking about the Zen monk basha, which she said that Zen and poetry are basically just a set of tools for discovering what can be known when the world is looked at with open eyes. Mindfulness is that intentional discipline practice of opening your eyes. And that directly fuels and deepens the whole creative process.

    Speaker 1 · 14:28That really ties it all together beautifully. So the key message for you listening seems to be that creativity isn't some rare commodity for a special few people born with talent. It's more like an inherent part

    <a class="no-underline" href="#next-steps-and-encouragement">Next Steps And Encouragement</a>

    Speaker 1 · 14:40of life itself, flowing through all of us. And the practice, whether mindfulness or creative, is mostly about learning how to get out of its way.

    Speaker 2 · 14:48And if this conversation has sparked something in you and you're looking for practical next steps, Ann Cushman actually teaches online. She does half day and day-long events combining meditation, writing, movement. And more broadly, we'd really encourage you to seek out teachers or workshops that emphasize process over product, teachers who have that welcoming, everyone can do this kind of vibe.

    Speaker 1 · 15:11Yeah. You know, we often carry around these old criticisms. I can't sing, I have no talent, and we let them define what's possible for us now. But what if the most courageous, maybe the most rewarding, creative act you could do today is simply to start that journey of reclamation, just trusting that the movement itself, the showing up with presence, is the medicine, whatever the outcome looks like.

    Speaker 2 · 15:30A beautiful thought to end on. Thank you for diving deep with us today.

    Speaker 1 · 15:34We'll see you next time.

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