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    Sean FargoPublished April 18, 2025 · Updated November 4, 2025 · 3 min read
    Mindfulness for Pain & Illness (Part 1) with Vidyamala Burch

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    In this deeply personal and empowering episode, Vidyamala Burch shares her remarkable journey of living with chronic pain for nearly five decades. From the depths of despair and denial to a profound awakening of awareness, Vidyamala discusses how mindfulness transformed her relationship with pain. Drawing from her lived experience and years of dedicated meditation practice, she introduces the foundational concepts behind her approach to managing pain and illness with compassion and presence. Whether you live with chronic illness or support someone who does, this conversation offers insight, hope, and practical tools for finding resilience in the face of suffering.

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    What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

    • The Transformative Power of Living in the Present Moment
    • How Awareness Can Shift Physical and Emotional Experience
    • Distinguishing Between Primary and Secondary Suffering
    • Mindfulness as a Courageous and Dynamic Practice
    • Common Coping Patterns: Overwhelm vs. Blocking
    • Pain as a River, Not a Rock
    • The Birth of Breathworks and Practical Tools for Resilience

    Show Notes:

    The Transformative Power of Living in the Present Moment

    Vidyamala recounts a pivotal moment during a health crisis where she discovered that focusing solely on the present moment made her experience more bearable. This profound insight sparked her lifelong dedication to mindfulness and shaped her understanding of how we construct suffering through mental projections like “getting through the night.”

    How Awareness Can Shift Physical and Emotional Experience

    A visit from a hospital chaplain helped Vidyamala realize that redirecting her attention—even for a few minutes—could change her perception of pain. This early experience with guided visualization taught her the potential of training the mind to influence subjective experience.

    Why Non-Reactivity Is Central to Mindfulness Practice

    Learn how observing experiences—whether bodily sensations, emotions, or mental states—without judgment or clinging is a cornerstone of the Satipaṭṭhāna path. This equanimity fosters inner stability, which is essential for both practitioners and teachers.

    Distinguishing Between Primary and Secondary Suffering

    She introduces the concept of primary suffering (the raw sensations of pain) and secondary suffering (our mental and emotional resistance). By recognizing this distinction, individuals can learn to meet their pain with more grace and less reactivity.

    Mindfulness as a Courageous and Dynamic Practice

    Rather than a static or passive tool, mindfulness is presented as a dynamic, moment-by-moment practice that requires courage. It’s about continually adjusting—sometimes softening and coming closer to experience, other times broadening awareness to prevent overwhelm.

    Common Coping Patterns: Overwhelm vs. Blocking

    Vidyamala explains two common responses to pain: becoming overwhelmed and drowning in sensation, or denying and blocking it out. She encourages listeners to reflect on their tendencies and apply appropriate mindfulness strategies to restore balance.

    Pain as a River, Not a Rock

    One of the most powerful metaphors in the episode describes pain as fluid and ever-changing, like a river—not a solid, immovable rock. This reframe invites a softer, more compassionate relationship with pain that reduces its psychological grip.

    The Birth of Breathworks and Practical Tools for Resilience

    Vidyamala discusses founding Breathworks, a charity and mindfulness training organization, and how her programs help people with pain and illness cultivate resilience. Her approach is grounded, practical, and informed by decades of personal experience and teaching.

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    Speaker 1 · 0:07Welcome to the Mindfulness Exercises Podcast. My name is Sean Fargo, and in today's episode, we're going to be exploring how mindfulness can alleviate chronic pain. Not just the perception of pain, but the actual pain intensity itself. We're going to be hearing from Vijimala Birch, who's the founder of Breathworks. She's a pioneer in mindfulness-based pain management. She's the author of You Are Not Your Pain. And she's kind of a hero of mine in the sense that she inspired and informed my work, helping thousands of people reduce their pain intensity through mindfulness teachings. She's been someone I've looked up to for over 10 years in this field. And so if you yourself struggle with chronic pain, if you know anyone who struggles with chronic pain, or if you want to teach others how to alleviate their chronic pain, then I think this episode is going to be really valuable for you yourself or to share with others. We're going to be talking about how to soften our resistance to what hurts, how to navigate primary and secondary suffering, how simple shifts in awareness can build resilience in our difficult moments, how to realize that we are not our pain. So we're going to be going into some tips and practices and techniques to help soften the pain. So for any of you who want to share mindfulness with others, I encourage you to check out our certification. So without further ado, let's hear from Vijimala Birch on mindfulness for chronic pain.

    Speaker 2 · 2:24Yeah, so I've come to this work through my own life's journey. I'm now 65 and I injured my spine when I was 16. So that is like nearly 50 years ago. And I've lived with chronic pain ever since. I've had multiple surgeries. I live with incomplete paraplegia, which means I can walk a little bit, but I use a wheelchair for distance, and I've got a paralysed bowel and bladder with all the complexities that come with that. So my whole adult life I've lived in this body, which has been challenging, very, very challenging. And for the first 10 years I didn't cope at all well. I just pretended it hadn't happened. I kept on pushing myself, which is very typical, I think, when catastrophe strikes humans. It's not uncommon to go into denial and sort of avoidant coping strategies. Then when I was uh 25, um, I had my my condition got worse. Well, when I was 23, I had another car accident. And then that made my my pain much worse. And then I had a deterioration. I was in hospital, I was in intensive care, very, very ill. And I had an experience in the middle of the night. So I was in absolute hell, to be honest. You know, I had no way of coping. I was incredibly tense in what I considered to be unbearable pain. And I got obsessed about how I was going to survive till the morning. You know, how could I get through these hours until the morning? And I was in a state of tremendous conflict. And then I, so I was, I was, you know, I can't bear it, I'm going to go crazy. And then another part of my brain or my mind was saying, you have to go, I can't, I can't, you have to, I can't. Yeah. And it was going on and on and on, getting tighter and tighter, all about getting through till the morning. And then a voice came in, and the voice said, You don't have to get through till the morning. You just have to live this moment and this one and this one. And something in my experience completely changed. It was a bit like the whole structure of resistance and torment fell away when I realized, oh, I can do that. I can live this moment and this one and this one. And the whole agony about the morning fell away. And I suppose in that moment, intuitively, I knew that that was a kind of mental construct. This whole idea of mourning was something that the morning was something that I was constructing with my mind. And the only moment that I could experience is now and now and now and now. And that that was bearable. So that was a very, I would say that's probably the strongest experience of my entire life. Um, you know, sometimes people talk about moments of insight and so on as being terribly sort of blissful. But in my instance, in my in my experience, it rose up out of hell. You know, I was in such a state of of complete torment that something new broke through. So of course I did get through it in the morning, and I got that that awoke in me, a kind of real interest. And well, what does it mean to be present? Because there was a very strong knowing that the the truth of that, the only life we have is the one that's happening now. So how anyway, I've dedicated the rest of my life to try to figure out what does that mean? And how can I live a life that's a series of nows rather than regrets about the past and fantasies about the future. So it was very significant because it didn't really give me any tools to manage my pain as such. Then a few days later, when I was in the hospital, the hospital chaplain came to see me, very, very kind, elderly man took my hand and he got me to remember a time and a place when I'd been happy. And I took my mind back to the Southern Alps of New Zealand. I was in New Zealand at this point where I'd grown up. And before my injuries, I'd been super fit, lover of the mountains. And the Southern Alps, there's a particular place in the Southern Alps of New Zealand that I just adore. So I took my mind back there. Um I don't know how long that practice lasted, maybe 10 minutes or something. It wasn't a long time. But my subjective experience changed by what I did with my awareness. So I was still the same girl, same hospital bed. But my experience, my emotional experience and my physically experienced to some extent was altered by what I did with my awareness. So that was my first experience, really, of in this life that awareness was a skill or awareness as a quality that I could learn to train. I could what I do with my attention, you know, what I focused on, what I attended to affected my subjective experience. So that got me really interested. And I thought, wow, I really want to learn how to how to train this quality that I've got that up till then I'd never at all understood that that was this kind of gift that we all have the gift of attention, the gift of awareness that I could train. So that was what got me started with meditation. I had a really good social worker when I came home from hospital. She got me lots of cassette tapes from the library. This was in the era of cassette tapes. That's how long ago it was, 1985. And I read books and I tried to teach myself to meditate. Um and I always like to say that I had that I had the gift of time, which of course many people never get. I had months lying on my bed looking at the ceiling. So I had this opportunity to really examine my mind, examine what I did with my mind, learn how to think, learn how to choose what I attended to. Um, then I learned yoga, which was very, very good for my rehab. And then about a year later, I was, I went on a Buddhist meditation retreat with a friend. And that's when I thought, oh, fantastic. This is this, this is if I stay with these people, I'll actually get the skills, I'll get the training, I'll get the sort of the kind of spiritual context, if you like, the sort of vision of what do we do with this mind? But I would also get the path, I'd get the training. I really like the people, very warm and friendly. Then a few years later, I moved to the UK and I lived in a residential retreat center in the country for five years with about 12 other women. So that again was a period of very intensive training. Um coming closer and closer to, you know, what is my actual experience and how can I learn to alter my reactions to my experience, which is what I'm going to be talking about later. And then in about 2000, I decided it would be interesting to see if could I develop a program that would help other people like me. I've been meditating for 15 years by this point. You know, with what I've done with my life, I generally wait a long time until I feel I'm ready. Partly because, you know, I just can't bear that sort of bullshit factor. You know, when you you think, I don't really know what I'm talking about, it's so uncomfortable. So I've kind of I generally wait until I'm not going to have too much of that. So I waited a long time, started The Breath Works, this charity that I founded way back in 2000 with a couple of friends. And we started experimenting, drawing on John Kabatzin's remarkable work, but also adapting it specifically for people with you know quite severe physical impairments. And then we started training other people and we we gradually developed a mindfulness-based uh pain and illness management. So that's the background. It's it's been completely life-changing for me, completely. I now have a good life. Even though I'm aging, I've got other health things arising inevitably when you have my body and you start to get secondary things arising over time. But you know, I'm pretty positive, pretty content on the whole. And it is because of both the Breath Works program, and I'd also say my Buddhist uh practice has given me this richness over all these years. So everything I'm going to tell you about has been hard won. It's been road tested intensively over decades. And one of the things that I've really tried to do with our programme, and I'm sure you know the programs that you've learned from are very similar, is how do you communicate these quite sort of subtle and sophisticated approaches and really grounded, practical, accessible ways, very simple ways. If people have got pain and illness, you know, you don't want lots of conceptual complexity. Often the medic, you're on medication, you can't really think very clearly, you can't retain information very well. So I've tried to make it all very, very practical and experiential. So yeah, let me begin. So mindfulness for pain, managing pain and illness with mindfulness. So, yes, I'm going to talk about um from resistance to resilience. That's the first theme, and the suggestion that a lot of our suffering when we've got pain and illness is through resistance. And then we're going to look at breathe for ease. How can we harness the power of the breath? Something I always like to say at the beginning of any workshop or session on Zoom is please move around. You know, we I always like to say we haven't had millions of years of evolution to sit slumped in front of a computer. Some of you here may have health conditions yourselves, so please take care of yourselves. I'll stand up myself at some point. So please just take care of your physical needs during the session. And actually, there's an interesting um rule that I've recently learned called the 50-50 rule, which is very, very good for Zoom, where we have 50% of our attention on the screen and then 50% of our attention in our own experience. So we're monitoring, you know, how do we feel in the body, how's our breathing, all that kind of thing, whilst we're also attending to the input. So it's a nice um balance. So what is mindfulness? Now, of course, this is going to be familiar to many of you, but you can't ever have enough of this, the basics. So there's the age-old um evocation from John. He calls it an evocation, not a definition. Particular way of paying attention on purpose in the present moment and non-judgmentally. So we can also see that as attention, intention, and attitude, which I think is very good. Yeah. So we kind of know why we're attending, which is the purpose, in the present moment, attention, and then a non-judgmental attitude. This is a definition that I've included in my first book, which is called Living Wealth, Pain and Illness, which is quite a behavioral definition. Live in the moment, notice what is happening, and make choices and how you respond to your experience rather than being driven by habitual reactions. Yeah. So I like that. So we're present, we notice what's happening physically, mentally, emotionally, around us and the world around us. And then mindfulness gives us this point of agency where we can make choices and how we respond to experience rather than being driven by habitual reactions. So that's the training, moving away from autopilot, just bouncing off experience into either craving or aversion and learning to bring choice. I've got pain, how can I choose to respond to that compassionately and with attention rather than just tensing and fighting it? So, in terms of pain and illness, the real issue is that it hurts. So we've got this experience and we don't like it. And in many respects, it's the not liking it which uh causes us all the difficulty. So we've got these two cartoons here, some someone screaming, I can't stand it. And then going, ouch, ow, ow, ouch. So we the the we have the experience and then we don't like it. Of course we don't like it because it's painful, but that's you know, we don't like it and it hurts. So it's the hurting which is the thing we can begin to navigate with a little bit more grace and skill. And the way we do this is by dismantling the suffering, using awareness, into these two components of what we call primary and secondary suffering. So, for example, you know, I can I used to have a narrative, my back is killing me. That's the kind of thing I would say to myself, my back is killing me. It was very global, you know, there was a whole just big mess of sensation, thoughts, emotions, and my whole back. With awareness, with kindness, with with more precise investigation. Of course, my back isn't killing me. I've got some unpleasant sensations in my lower back. That's a very, very different uh narrative. So the primary suffering is the basic unpleasants and uh unpleasant sensations and experience in the moment. So that's the thing we keep coming back to. What is actually happening? What am I actually feeling? So that's the primary. And then what we what what what happens if we're not aware, if we're not awake to our experience is we automatically resist that. And it's, you know, just so quick. We don't notice that we've got these unpleasant sensations and we automatically tense, hold our breath, contract, worry, and so on, and we get this tight ball of resistance and resentment. And before we know it, we've got a whole load of secondary suffering. And the secondary suffering is all the mental, emotional, and physical reactions. So now you've got unpleasant sensation plus resistance. It's not fair, I can't stand it. And then we get a whole load of secondary suffering. As soon as you hold your breath, which is why we're going to be doing the breath work later, but as soon as you hold your breath, you're going to get more tension and you're going to get more pain. So you've got unpleasant sensations, breath holding, resistance, more pain, more tension, more unpleasant sensations. You're going to get fear, anxiety, worry, going to have catastrophic thinking. It's never going to end. I can't stand it, and so on. So the experience of pain is to speak, it's a complex mixture of these different components, the primary, the resistance, and the secondary. There's a really lovely parable from the Buddhist tradition called the parable of the dart or the arrow. Probably many of you know this already. But I think it's very, very good. And the Buddha says that when we experience physical pain, it's as if we've been pierced by an arrow or a dart, suggesting it's you've you've got this direct experience of discomfort. And then the person who hasn't trained their mind knows of no other response than to resist and resent that arrow. And then it's as if they're pierced by a second arrow. So now they have the pain of two arrows. Whereas the person who's trained their awareness, they still have the first arrow because that comes with the human condition. We're all going to have discomfort at one time or another. So the person who's trained their mind, they have physical discomfort and it's as if they're pierced by an arrow. They do not resist and resent the arrow. And so they are not pierced by a second arrow. And I think the Buddha is being very generous when he talks about two arrows, because in reality, it can feel like you're impaled on a hundred arrows. So this is a lovely metaphor. And so we learn to let go of the second arrows and to be with the first arrow. So primary suffering, uh, mindfulness helps us to accept that first arrow, to accept the primary suffering in any given moment. So this is where mindfulness is also very courageous. Sometimes people talk about mindfulness as if it's a bit soft and hasn't got sort of power to it, but mindfulness is very, very powerful and very, very courageous. Because if we can learn to be with unpleasantness as it arises without being sort of knocked about, that is a very powerful way to live. A very brave way to live. Mindfulness softens and dissolves resistance and resentment. And mindfulness helps to reduce or even overcome the secondary suffering. And of course, this is a moment by moment experience. You might let go of in one moment and the next moment all kind of piles in again. And then you learn to let go of that. So it's quite dynamic, and I'll say a bit more about that in a moment. So on our programs, we use this really wonderful teaching method of what we call the cushion exercise. So we get people in the class to have the first cushion. So on the image on the left, you can see that woman there's got a blue cushion on her lap. So that blue cushion represents the unpleasant sensations, and we get the we get them to name what that is. So in my case, right now, that will be unpleasant sensations in my lower back that are stabbing and burning. And then somebody comes and places another cushion on her nap, and with the people name what that is. So the first one might be, it's really hard, I can't bear it. The second one might be, oh my God, I'm not going to sleep tonight. The third one might be, I can't go out, so I'm going to lose all my friends. The fourth one might be, I'm so tired. And you just pile these up. And then, of course, the people are getting this felt experience that the burden you're carrying isn't just the blue cushion, but it's all those cushions. And of course, what you can see on the top one, she can't see out. So we've lost all perspective. And then what we do is we invite the person to just tip the bottom cushion so all the other ones fall off. And then what does it feel like to just be left with that first cushion, the primary suffering? And then we get people to be very gentle with the primary, like to stroke it and be kind towards the primary. So it isn't that you're just sort of rejecting the secondary and tolerating the primary, but we're learning how to let go gracefully and then to be kind and tender. So it's a lovely exercise, lovely thing to do. There's a little video that we've made, the primary and secondary suffering of pain, and there's a YouTube. I would recommend that you look at that if you're interested in this whole model of primary and secondary. It's a lovely little animated video that uh that we made. So the secondary, let's look at this for a minute, because this is very interesting. You know, how what happens when we're resisting our pain? And what I've observed through my own experience and the many, many people that I've taught is the secondary tends to manifest in two poles. So we we either go into overwhelm, drowning, or we go into denial and blocking. I think we all do this and we flip-flop between the two, either on a long cycle or even moment by moment. So the overwhelm is things like catastrophizing, depression. We tend to be overwhelmed by the body, so very dominated by the body, exhaustion, giving up, and there can be self-pity. There's no judgment here, it's just an observation. On the other hand, denial and blocking tends to be becoming very controlling. You know, if I can control my whole life, then my pain will go away. Very restless because we're not with us with our experience. We tend to split off from the body and go into the head. So the overwhelm tends to be a bit overly dominated by the body and the blocking, the denial, we we just exist from the neck up. We can't stop because, of course, if we stop, we might feel something. So we have to keep on running. We tend to get rather brittle and edgy. There's no sort of stability to our experience. And I think most addictions are a way of trying to avoid our experience. So it's very interesting. You know, this is what I've observed. Some of us have a kind of favorite that we go into first, and then eventually we'll go into the other one. So I'm a blocker. That's my default setting, is to harden, split off, and push. And I used to do that for months and months at a time. And then, of course, I get completely exhausted and I collapse for months and months at a time. Luckily, I don't do that anymore. It's much, it's a much shorter cycle. Some people will tip straight into overwhelm. And then eventually they'll crawl out of overwhelm and go into pushing for a little bit and then collapse back into overwhelm. So it's good to just be curious about what your personality is as much as anything. But the way to work with it is the same. So if we are feeling a bit hard, we're in denial, we're a bit blocked, then the mindfulness practice is to come closer. And I'm going to need a little practice in a moment to explore this. So come closer to the body, breathe, release into gravity, let awareness into the body, soften, soften, soften. So that's the practice if we're blocking. On the other hand, if we're overwhelmed, we need to broaden our awareness. This is this is very, very important. You know, we need to know the correct strategies. So if it's all too much and it's awful, it might be that you open your eyes, it might be that you look around, feel into other parts of the body that aren't hurting. So broaden. Then of course, you might go a bit too broad and start blocking. So then you come closer. So the practice itself is quite dynamic. And I I really love to say this that mindfulness isn't a static exercise, it isn't like trying to get to some state of perfect equilibrium in a sort of abstract way. It's very dynamic and responsive. And this image of the surfer, if you watch a surfer, they're continually listening to the water, listening to the board, moving their body in order to stay to ride the wave. And in a way, we're trying to learn how to ride the wave of our lives. So we're looking for balance. Do I need to come closer? Do I need to broaden? And just playing around with that. And of course, we always do it with kindness. This is really, really important. It's not a kind of aloof, cool observing, but we're deeply in our experience with kindness and with the net with the attitude that's like a natural response to a loved one. This can be quite helpful for people because sometimes if we've got pain and illness, there's a lot of despair, um, lack of confidence. We don't really care about ourselves, perhaps. But most people will know what it feels like to soothe a pet or a child or a loved one. So we turn that kind of attitude back towards ourselves. And we really rest into this knowledge that it's ever only happening one moment at a time. So we just with the present moment as much as we can. And then what happens is our experience of pain becomes more fluid. This is really, really important. So what we're doing with our awareness, with our practice, with our compassion is we're breathing and softening, breathing and softening, and we're feeling into how this experience that we label pain is actually quite fluid. It's not a static thing. Because of course, when we're not aware, pain becomes an object. We objectify it in the body, we turn it into a thing, we turn it into the enemy, and then we go to war. Very understandable, but not helpful and not necessary. So we're beginning to rest inside the experience as fluid and changing and ever only momentary. And for myself, that's been completely central to my journey. So we learn to experience pain as a river, not a rock. That's the phrase that I like to use. It's a river, not a rock. If I go inside these unpleasant sensations in my back at the moment, which, you know, when I'm not really attending, can feel quite static, but I attend and there's a sort of pulsing quality slightly moving around. And if I if I if I sort of imagine it as a river rather than a rock, that has a very big effect. It all starts to loosen and soften a wee bit.

    Speaker 1 · 25:58All right. I hope that this conversation with Vijimala gave you a new lens for understanding pain and how mindfulness can help us to alleviate pain, not just as something to endure, but something that we can meet with kindness. In our next episode, we'll go deeper into the body where we'll learn how breath and even gravity can help us to soften tension, regulate our nervous system, and come home to our own body in a more fluid, caring, and embodied way. Thank you for listening, and I hope to see you in our next episode with the Jamala Birch. Until next time, stay present, stay grounded, and continue showing up with authenticity and compassion. Thank you for listening.

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