Healthy Anger, Healthy Body – with Dr. Gabor Maté

Speaker 1 · 0:00I I hear you talk about rage and anger a lot. Do you feel like the suppression is I mean, if you had to like have a pie chart or percentage of different emotions that people typically suppress, would you say most of the time it's say rage or sadness or fear? Or is it even possible to separate those?

Speaker 2 · 0:23Well, it's interesting.

Speaker 2 · 0:24There's there was, sadly, he's not alive anymore, a neuroscientist, his name is Dr. Yak Panksap, who looked at the neuroscience of emotions. Affective neuroscience, he called it, affective neuroscience, not effective, affective neuroscience. And he distinguished some brain systems that we share with other mammals, some rudimentary but essential brain systems, and he capitalized them just for nomenclature's sake. And each of these brain systems were associated with certain brain chemicals and certain circuits in the brain. And they were not, you know, they were very much intermingled, but there was a circuitry for rage. He called it R-A-G-E, rage. There was also circuitry for panic and grief. He called it panic grief, capital panic slash grief. There's one for fear. There's one for lust. There's one for seeking. There's one for play. And one or two others. And each of these are necessary for human life. Mammalian life, actually. Now the rage system isn't an aberration, it's part of our apparatus. It shows up, it gets activated when we're threatened and our boundaries are threatened. You want to find out what rages? Try to mess with the bear cubs of a bear mother. You'll find out what rages. It's there for a good reason. We have a system for care, C-A-R-E, which makes us care for one another, especially for the young of the species. Without that, mammals don't survive. If the adults didn't have a care system in their brains, no infant would survive. We have a panic and grief system, panic grief, which is what the young feels when the care is absent. They feel panic, they feel sadness.

Speaker 2 · 2:46Now, what I find is that the most commonly repressed are the rage and the panic and grief. And when you repress that, no, when you repress anger, healthy anger, you're actually suppressing your immune system. Why? I could go into the science of it, but in a nutshell, mind and body cannot be separated. And when you look at what is the role of healthy anger, is to protect your boundaries. That's emotionally or physically the case. Sean, if I were you are in the same room with you, if I were to attack you, you should mount a rage response. Oh, you can't do this to me. You know? And you might do the same thing if I was emotionally intrusive. That's to keep out what is unhealthy. In fact, the role of the emotional system in general is very simply let in what's healthy and nourishing and keep out what's not. That's basically the role of emotions.

Speaker 2 · 4:08Now, what is the role of the immune system? Trick question. It's to keep out what's unhealthy and let in what's healthy. It's the same as the emotions. In fact, the immune system and the emotional system are part and parcel of the same apparatus. When you're suppressing rage, your healthy rage, I'm talking about, there's such a thing as healthy anger, then there's unhealthy anger. When you're suppressing healthy anger, you're suppressing your immune system. Documentably so, physiologically so. But this is where therapy and inquiry comes into it. Because why would somebody repress healthy anger? Well, let me put it to you. Why would somebody repress healthy anger? What would you people say about that? Anybody want to answer that? Melissa.

Speaker 3 · 5:02Because it's not safe to do so.

Speaker 2 · 5:05Under what circumstances?

Speaker 3 · 5:08I agree with connection, relationship.

Speaker 2 · 5:10Exactly. And exactly when? Particularly when, let me put it that way.

Speaker 3 · 5:17A caregiver, somebody that is is needed for care, it would sever the relationship that would give you the care that is needed.

Speaker 2 · 5:27I'm completely with you, and I totally agree with you. And but when most particularly in life?

Speaker 3 · 5:33Oh, when you're a child.

Speaker 2 · 5:34Exactly. You know, so that in that case, you would agree with me that the suppression of anger is actually a benefit because it allowed you to keep that relationship without which you can't survive. But that same benefit becomes a deficit later on. So most commonly it's what I see suppressed is anger. And of course, if you look at even the language, like we call depression this mental health disorder because of chemicals, nonsense. Look at the word depression. What does it mean to depress something? It means to push it down. What do we push down? We push down our emotions. Why do we push them down? Because

Speaker 2 · 6:15as Melissa points out, it's too dangerous to feel them when they would threaten the attachment relationship. So the the pushing down of healthy anger can lead you to autoimmune disease or cancer, neurological disease like ALS. And by the way, you know what something they've done studies. Even people with ALS who express anger, they live longer than people with ALS who don't express anger. I could talk at length about that. There was a study of 2,000 women in the states. Women who over 10 years, women who were unhappily married and didn't express their feelings of unhappiness were in those 10-year periods four times as likely to die as those women who were unhappily married, but they talked about their feelings. So the repression of healthy anger and unsadness and grief. They support you, it undermines your physiology.

Speaker 2 · 7:24I could go on about multiple sclerosis, fibromyalgia, in all of these conditions, what you've got migraines for God's sakes. Meet anybody with migraines, they got a lot of suppressed rage. That's what happens. And sadness, of course. If your parents need you to be happy, you'll put on a happy face. Yes, everything is okay. And then you go through life, and everybody thinks, What a nice guy you are, what a nice person you are. Always joyful, always cheerful. Then they come to your funeral and they wonder why is it that the good die young? The good die young because they suppress themselves.

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